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Trevor (in response to my discourse on the Big Bang) [Apr. 7th, 2010|08:37 am]
Bob Bain
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We 'did' Descartes in first year philosophy. he wasn't very good. 'I think therefore i am' is rubbish, being a circular statemement. He is presuposing his existencet right at the beginning by saying 'I'. +Alan has a cartoon up in his bedroom which says 'Other people think about me, therefore i am'. This is better philosophy. Better logic to take as a given that OTHER people exist, to kick off the statement/thought - than oneself.

And as You said, Descartes is no more - or not in the way he thought he existed then. as for the Universe. This is beyond even me - and i can usually cope with intellectually indigestible things quite well. having Pagan parents and an R. Catholic school We have not enough to go on. And only puny little brains to go with. As our Philosopher of Religiopn, A. P. (I think) Cavendish said, You have to have a 'creation Myth' for any religion, also 'ruling' on afterlife belief, social rules, and a bit of summat special - like someone come back from the dead/ Virgin BIRTH/ miracles.

And a bit of ritual. Quakers say they have none which makes them special - but of course they do, though it is only specially dull. Sitting silent in a room with the odd pipe up from the odd person.

In UK now there is a Secular Society esp. for folk who don't 'believe in religions'. Now it has developed so much it has turned into another religion - but without a Spiritual God, or individual afterlife 'elsewhere', or miracles, They have particular rituals though they'd hate you to call 'em that - for 'naming' babies, 'marrying' and dealing with dead folk.

And of course a morality culled from mores of the time. But they 'observe' the religious festivals (Christmas, Easter) in terms of their rituals - apart from going to Church of course wh. most Christians don't do either.

Do you have secular Soc like this in OZ? are they 'the same' the world over? Or vary according to the country?

What a lot of white hair you have. Like your dad, and Alan. I'm jealous!

It is raining and raining, very dark. No spring at all over Easter.

Trevor - Cornwall (England) 6th. April 2010

Trevor as I explained to the Western Sydney Freethinkers (click to view ) I'm not religous enough to believe in aethiesm.

[User Picture]From: acelightning
2010-04-07 09:08 am (UTC)
" 'I think not,' said Descartes, and vanished..."

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[User Picture]From: acelightning
2010-04-07 09:13 am (UTC)
i've been an agnostic since i was seven years old or so. as i was growing up, my religious attitude was best described by a quote from the late Lester Del Rey: "intellectually, i'm an agnostic, but emotionally, i'm an atheist." then, in my mid-20s, while i was searching for something else entirely, the Goddess kind of grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and said, "you're coming with Me, girl!" - that was how i became a Witch.

so now, many years later, i'm still a Wiccan Priestess, but i'm also still an agnostic. and i find no conflict in that. intellectually, i'm (still) an agnostic, but emotionally, i'm more-or-less Wiccan.

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[User Picture]From: bobbain
2010-04-08 07:57 am (UTC)
I attended the beer drinking session with the Free Thinkers of Western Sydney yesterday as they have a get together at the Red Cow in Penrith on selected Wednesday evenings. Peter Bowditch (present) runs the http://ratbags.com/ website and was/is a fellow member of the defunct/not defunct ELSIC committee of the Australian Computer Society which is being "revitalised".

The main focus of the evening was a) the Pope b) the Hillsong church c) Gloria Jeans coffee d) Internet censorship and e) Peak Oil. I explained about Peak Oil at my previous meeting with this particular group as the Fellowship of the Round Table held a forum at Parliament House which I have uploaded to http://www.vimeo.com./fortsydney. I also sent both a good and a not so good copy of the video I edited to Lee Rhiannon of the Greens in Parliament House (New South Wales) and received 9 copies back from them today which I will give to the Fellowship when they meet on Tuesday.

I got a bit confused when the subject turned to humanism - being asked "Is his secular humanism" or "non secular humanism". At this point my mind went blank.

The Fellowship in their wisdom have chosen the topic "The Mayan Calandar - is the world about to change ?" for the June 22/23rd forum and I have been researching it. I was told last night that some believe earthlings will turn into plasma on December 21st. 2012. Surprisingly we have snared at least one speaker from Sydney University.

I have just downloaded an .mp3 of a lady in Melbourne who explains how the Archangel Gabriel has predicted all this.

I am getting confused. The concensus was that Gloria Jeans coffee is possibly better than Starbucks but is possibly tainted.


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