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The Sun ! [Dec. 18th, 2007|09:17 pm]
Bob Bain
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs

Thanks to Acharya S for the use of her material. Acharya S is a scholar classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology and languages. Acharya specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins. Although born into a Christian (Congregationalist Protestant) family, Acharya does not subscribe to any particular religion, nor is she a hardcore "atheist." Acharya is the author of the controversial books The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold and Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled. She is also the author of the number 1 ranked article on the net on the ""Origins of Christianity." Among other less flattering things, Acharya S has been called "the ranking religious philosopher of our era" and "the voice of reason amidst global chaos." Her web site contains a wealth of information about: religion spirituality mythology archaeology history..

What 40 years of Occultism can do (Brother Alan - Astrologer )...

brother bob does not endorse the views expressed although SBS TV Australia have presented similar analogies...
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[User Picture]From: acelightning
2007-12-19 12:42 am (UTC)
i find the material presented in that video extremely annoying. "Acharya" gets things almost right (although there are some nit-picky factual errors in astronomy), but misses the point entirely. first of all, Christianity did not evolve out of earlier solar-worship religions; instead, the early Church deliberately grafted old solar symbolism onto the teachings of Jesus and his disciples, in order to make their new religion more palatable to people who were used to the old ways. the "Sun/Son" pun only works in the Germanic languages - there is no such verbal similarity in Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, Greek, or ancient Egyptian. and none of these things invalidates Christianity as a religion. (all religions are equally valid, or invalid, up to and including the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.)

i only skimmed your brother's writings, because they are too specifically related to Christian doctrine, which is of no importance to me.


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[User Picture]From: bobbain
2007-12-19 01:21 am (UTC)
I realise that Christianity is an "extension" of Judaism and that it was exported to Rome via Paul (Saul) and eventually accepted as the religion of the Roman Empire due to a vision the Emperor Constantine - even though Constantine (from what I understand) merely added the religion to his set of religious beliefs.

The "halo" in paintings set against the images of saints has been cited to be related to the merging of Roman sun worship with the Roman's "Christian Agenda". (from a program on SBS TV several years ago).

As I understand it there are astrological sections in the Dead Sea Scrolls and astrology was known and believed in in that part of the world so I don't entirely discount some of the astrological interpretations in the YouTube video.

Alan was a delver into the "occult" (for _almost_ as long as I can remember - he was into anarchy and political idealism before that) and explored almost any and every avenue of investigation - seemingly due to a near death experience aged 4 on Canvey Island (Benfleet) when he almost drowned and "met" spirits). His church (small as it was) attempted to "rectify" catholicism from the "mistakes" made at Nicea around 300 AD.

It's interesting that you use a Tarot card icon. As part of his investigation into the beliefs of Jewish mysticism (The Kabbalah) he used the Tarot as a vehicle. I personally recall him delving into the Tarot but that must have been decades ago. He told me not to tamper with things which I couldn't understand without study.

He is widely known for his "Keys to the Kabbalah" which involves the Tarot (one instance here...

http://m_euser.tripod.com/articles/keys_to_kabbalah.htm

THE 21 STAGES OF THE WAY

Stage Seventeen, The Star

This card shows a naked woman, representing the soul, with a brilliant star shining in the background. Like the angel of card fourteen, she has two vessels of water, but unlike the angel, she is pouring one on the earth and the other into a pool. Gone are the glorious trappings of card fourteen. Here we must be as we are, not as we would like to appear. This stage shows the beginning of Self-realisation. Devoid of trappings and identification and attachment with lower levels, relatively humble, we are able to use in a constructive manner the truth we have been given. Some of the water is poured upon the ground. That is to say that we may use what has been given to us outwardly, in the world. The rest of the water goes into a pool. That is to say that we also apply truth inwardly towards higher and deeper levels, allowing it to work within us in the same way as the water poured upon the earth may work outside of us.

The star of Kether shines in the background, and intimations of Spirit are strong, in the same way that the star of Tiphareth shines behind the lovers in stage six, where intimations of Self are strong.

We still have much to learn at this stage, except that we begin to learn by doing, with less emphasis on watching, which should now be second nature to us. Here we begin to be open to spiritual energies, and to transmit them to those behind us on the Way.

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Christian ? - yes you can pick up on that area of his investigation into "occult truth" but he's also found on "Jew Watch" (due to the fact that the Kabbalah is Jewish in origian) but as far as I know he never attended a synagogue.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-kaballah.html

The Jew Watch Project Is The Internet's Largest Scholarly Collection of Articles on Jewish History Free Educational Library for Private Study, Scholarship, and Research The Jew Watch Project's 637 Million Pages Served Demonstrate Our Focus on Professionalism

Back to the Keys to the Kabbalah (from that site)...

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-kaballah-keys-bain.html

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[User Picture]From: acelightning
2007-12-19 07:58 am (UTC)
a halo doesn't necessarily represent the Sun - it's more general, usually indicating just a "glow" as a sign of holiness and/or spiritual importance. the halo isn't always round - a "mandorla" shape, rather like an American football, with pointed ends (always shown vertically) is another very common way to depict a halo.

i must confess that i chose the Tarot card "The Star" to make an icon out of (for things where i want to allude to the Tarot) solely because it's not so packed with detail that it becomes unrecognizable when shrunk down to 100 pixels tall.


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[User Picture]From: bobbain
2007-12-19 09:06 am (UTC)

The "Star" is seemingly from the "Original Rider-Waite(R) Tarot"

I'd keep quiet about the icon or they may come to get you :-)

"Protected by copyright and trademarks, which are vigorously enforced by U.S. Games Systems, Inc."

http://www.usgamesinc.com

( There is seemingly some dispute regarding the validity of this copyright - so if they do come to get you there may be a legal argument in your defence )

Bob

I believe "The Bible" (Judeo/Christian) is in the public domain - although various translations / interpretations may impose copyright restrictions. I must admit I don't recall anyone being sued for reproducing the words of Jesus Christ or indeed of God himself.

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[User Picture]From: acelightning
2007-12-20 08:46 am (UTC)
the overwhelming majority of userpics on all of LJ are technically in violation of copyright. however, i think most of them could be considered "fair use".

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[User Picture]From: bobbain
2007-12-19 08:52 pm (UTC)

If you seek to keep within the letter of the law regarding the use of Tarot card images (and it appears that permission would be provided for free provided the copyright is attributed to U.S Games Inc.) there's an application form.

http://www.usgamesinc.com/layout/pages/US/info/TarotReproductionAuthForm.pdf

"US Games Systems, Inc. (hereinafter "US Games") is the copyright owner of certain Tarot Card images. In
order to be able to reproduce copyrighted Tarot Card images, it is necessary to receive authorization from US
Games to reproduce and use these images. To apply to obtain this authorization, please review and submit a
completed application form."

Guidelines for reproduction are located at:-

http://www.usgamesinc.com/layout/pages/US/info/TarotReproductionPolicies.pdf

"U.S. Games Systems, Inc. owns the copyrights on most of the Tarot decks that it publishes including what is
known as "electronic reproduction rights," which include the scanning of cards for display via computer
platforms, electronic devices and the Internet."

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Usage and Pricing

1. Tarot Deck Marketing. (Example: Reproduced Tarot Card images used solely to advertise or
promote the sale of Tarot Cards, Decks or other products manufactured or distributed by US Games).
Fees: Free of charge with attribution

2. Tarot Deck Reviews. Example: Tarot Card images used solely to facilitate or enhance reviews of
Tarot decks via print or interactive media not involving or facilitating Tarot readings.
Fees: Free of charge with attribution

3. Free Tarot education. Instructional materials used to teach about Tarot, including articles, without a
commercial aspect and not involving or facilitating Tarot readings of any kind.
Fees: Free of charge with attribution

4. Commercial Tarot education. Instructional materials used to teach about Tarot, including articles,
wherein students are charged fees, not involving automated self-service Tarot readings.
Fees: Fee for Usage

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According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider-Waite_tarot_deck

"U.S. Games currently claims copyright on the cards, although the actual copyright may only be valid on certain colorized versions of the card. While others argue that it is in the public domain in the US, the US Games claim may be valid because the derived version of the cards was not in the public domain when US Games created their copyright"

just FYI .. I don't think they'll be hunting you down - but they might for "serious" Divination (or similar) Internet sites..

Bob
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[User Picture]From: acelightning
2007-12-20 08:49 am (UTC)
all the "online Tarot reading" sites i've seen have a teeny tiny copyright message in 4-point type somewhere at the bottom, signifying that US Games, and the publishers of whichever other designs appear on the site, have duly given permission for their use.

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